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Author:  Alan Aversa [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:09 am ]
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Four Ages of Understanding, by an Aquinas Medal winner and excellent contemporary Thomist philosopher John Deely, is an excellent history of philosophy (vide this review). With an emphasis on the development of the notion of sign, he magnificently describes the history of philosophy beginning with the Greeks, then progressing to St. Augustine's definition of sacrament as a sign, then showing how this progressed through the philosophy of esse of St. Thomas and lead to the Tractatus de Signis of John of St. Thomas all the way to modern "post-modern" times. In all this he shows how profound an influence the Church has been on fostering philosophical and scientific inquiry.

Anyways, Deely's bilingual edition of John of St. Thomas (John Poinsot)'s Tractatus de Signis is available on Archive.org: http://www.archive.org/details/tractatu ... 00johnrich

Has anyone here read it? It is well-worth the read!

Author:  Julian [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:15 am ]
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Ah, thank you very very much. I was looking for this tract some time ago, but could only find the extremely expensive hard copy.

I will certainly have a look at it!

Author:  Alan Aversa [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:43 pm ]
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Julian wrote:
Ah, thank you very very much. I was looking for this tract some time ago, but could only find the extremely expensive hard copy.
St. Augustine's Press just recently released a new edition of it.

Author:  Alan Aversa [ Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:39 pm ]
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Does anyone know whether John of St. Thomas treated the pope-heretic question? If so, where?
thanks

Author:  Cristian Jacobo [ Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:18 pm ]
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Alan Aversa wrote:
Does anyone know whether John of St. Thomas treated the pope-heretic question? If so, where?
thanks


Yes, it should be in his Tractatus de Auctoritate Summi Pontificis, Disputatio II, Articulus III: Utrum Papa deponi possit ab Ecclesia, sicut ab eadem eligitur; et in quibus casibus? (Whether the Pope may be depossed by the Church, in the same way as he is elected by the same (the Church), and in which cases?)

Author:  Alan Aversa [ Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: John of St. Thomas's Tractatus de Signis (bilingual edit

Cristian Jacobo wrote:
Alan Aversa wrote:
Does anyone know whether John of St. Thomas treated the pope-heretic question? If so, where?
thanks


Yes, it should be in his Tractatus de Auctoritate Summi Pontificis, Disputatio II, Articulus III: Utrum Papa deponi possit ab Ecclesia, sicut ab eadem eligitur; et in quibus casibus? (Whether the Pope may be depossed by the Church, in the same way as he is elected by the same (the Church), and in which cases?)
Do you have the full-text of that?
thanks in advance

I'm impressed by John of St. Thomas's discipleship of St. Thomas. He chose his religious name himself!
summary of «Cursus Theologicus, Tractatus de Approbatione et Auctoritate Doctrinae D. Thomae, Disp. II, art. 5, ” Quae ad veram intelligentiam et discipulatum D. Thomae conducant,”» by Wade, Francis C., S.J.'s in his translation of the «Outlines of Formal Logic» by John of St. Thomas wrote:
1. When there is doubt about what St. Thomas means, the true meaning, and therefore true discipleship, is found in the continuous succession of disciples who held firmly to his doctrine. Thus the line of succession includes: Hervaeus, Capreolus, Cajetanus, Ferrariensis, Victoria, Soto, Flandria—and now of course John of St. Thomas.

2. The proper attitude and approach to St. Thomas’ doctrine. The disciple, instead of disagreeing captiously or being lukewarm in explaining, is on the contrary energetically set on defending and developing the teaching of St. Thomas, even though he may, for lack of insight, misunderstand the master.

3. The true disciple, because he is a disciple, in his work of explaining, stresses more the glory and brilliance of the master’s teaching than the glory of his own opinion or the credit of novel opinions.

4. The true disciple not only follows St. Thomas and comes to the same conclusions; he also strives to explain Aquinas’ reasons and to show how surface inconsistencies are reconciled.

5. Discipleship is shown to be more sincere by greater unity and agreement among the disciples of St. Thomas.

Author:  Cristian Jacobo [ Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:11 pm ]
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Alan Aversa wrote:
Cristian Jacobo wrote:
Alan Aversa wrote:
Does anyone know whether John of St. Thomas treated the pope-heretic question? If so, where?
thanks


Yes, it should be in his Tractatus de Auctoritate Summi Pontificis, Disputatio II, Articulus III: Utrum Papa deponi possit ab Ecclesia, sicut ab eadem eligitur; et in quibus casibus? (Whether the Pope may be depossed by the Church, in the same way as he is elected by the same (the Church), and in which cases?)
Do you have the full-text of that?
thanks in advance


I do... they are 15 pages :D

Author:  Alan Aversa [ Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:46 am ]
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Cristian Jacobo wrote:
I do... they are 15 pages :D
Could you please post it here or PM it to me?
thanks

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